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's bring in our "news nation" political panel today. john harwood and zachary ca caribel. thank you, gentlemen, for joining me. john, i want to come to you first because i want to play what president obama and governor romney said just a short time ago reacting to the jobs reports. let me play those first, both of them. >> there were fewer new jobs created this month than last month, and the unemployment rate as you noted this year has come down very, very slowly. it's come down nonetheless. the reason it came down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> so john harwood, before we talk about this back and forth, i want to talk about the psychological impact of the rate falling below 8% today. >> it's positive for obama and say that the rate is where it was when i took office. i don't think we should be under any illusions. 7.8% is a high unemploy
" magazine, white house correspondent, who has the cover story in this week's issue. john harwood, cnbc chief white house correspondent, and holding it down in new york city, msnbc political analyst karen finney. john, are you there in the spin room. as you know, the spinning begins before either candidate has spoken. we've seen both parties attempt to deflate expectations. but isn't the biggest challenge for mitt romney, not what he plans to say tonight, but how he explains what he's already said, in particular, his derision for 47% of the people in this country? >> reporter: certainly, martin, he's going to have to address that and try to diffuse that issue. look, this is an incredibly important event in the campaign. tens of millions of people will watch these two guys standing side by side. mitt romney is behind, but behind by three points. he could still win this race. he's got to figureut obama, hel, make credible arguments his economic plan will make the lives of 100% of americans better, and try to establish some connection with the american people he hasn't been able to do on far. it
't. believe how bad this guy did in the debate. >> john stewart's postmortem of president obama's performance at the denver debate. that clip and a check on weather when "way too early" comes right back. >>> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8... >>> 5:45 in the morning as we look at a beautiful live picture of new york city from the top of our building looking south. now we're looking east. first south then east. bill karins with a look at the first. >> today's a sad day. last day for our jean shorts and tank tops. >> i never say that. >> you keep them out all year? >> indian summer is a great time for jean shorts. >> yes, they are. good morning, everyone. if you're on the east coast, a little tas
contributor and managing edter of post politics.com and ruth marcus and politico editor in chief, john harris. chris, first to you. your scoring of the debate and what you think the president's strategy was or wasn't going in. >> i don't know what his strategy was, but whatever it was, it wasn't particularly good, andrea. you know, the thing that i was struck by the whole time is optics matter. this is television. how you look, how you present yourself matters. barack obama, honestly, kind of looked like he would have rather have been almost anywhere but there. he looked tired. he looked kind of grim and dower to theic tent he had expression, expressed himself a smirk directed at something that mitt romney said. i don't know if there's any one reason why he wasn't himself, but he very clearly, he certainly wasn't the barack obama of 2008 in terms of the campaign. but he wasn't the barack obama we've got tonight know over the last four years who is a realist about the challenges facing the country, but he's not a pessimist about those challenges. struck me last night, he might have not been pe
. it was sweaty, dick nixon sick with a fever against polished john f. kennedy. legend has it that richard nixon heard that jfk was not going to get makeup from cbs for that debate, and so nixon said, well, i won't have any makeup either, then. even though he was running a 102 degree fever and not only was nixon ill that day, it turned out that when jfk turned down the cbs makeup offer, it was because he apparently had his own makeup arrangements already made. and so we got jfk with makeup and no fever, we got richard nixon with no makeup and a fever. what we got on tv in the first televised presidential debate in our nation's history was beauty and the beast. right? of course, jfk went on to win that election that year, whether or not it was because of the debate, i don't know, but thus was born the entire school of punditry that says it's all about the optics and watching things with the sounds off and all that existentially exhausting stuff we still say today. but here is the relevant context for understanding what happened last night. when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's tel
" magazine john heilemann. guys. hi, willie. >> hello. >> it's not as bad as being a red sox fan, but if you're a jets fan right now, holy cow! tebow's like, you know, he's getting ready. >> he should have been ready. i don't know why they kept sanchez in the whole game. 103 yards, less than 50% passing, one interception and frankly wasn't close. it was a strange thing to watch. >> it was absolutely brutal. and then, of course, the yankees, man. that playoff race. >> ooh. >> you remember what i said at the beginning of the year? i said the red sox -- we only want to be ahead of the orioles. we all laughed. it's tied! >> and the red sox have a chance to spoil the yankees' season. so that might be a saving grace, at the end of this miserable year, they have three games in new york, they could ruin the yankees' scene. >> john heilemann, as a fellow red sox fan, you and i would take no pleasure out of the red sox destroying the yankees' season. despite the fact that the yankees -- >> speak for yourself there. >> 7-0. and i just remind any boston red sox that are crawling out of the gutter this m
the debates. did he end up being president? no, he did not. >> john kerry. >> john kerry won the debates. he also did not end up being president. >> yeah, but, karen, i think what's different this time around is the absolute falsification that took place last night. it was breath-taking. it was almost -- well, it was shakespearean in terms of its performance. >> and you know what, martin, to that point, i think part of whether where i'd like to see the obama folks take this message is, we have already had a president who is very comfortable, and a vice president by the way, looking us straight in the eye and lying to us and sending men and women to war. do we want to have another president who can stand on the stage for 90 minutes and lie to the american people? i don't think that's what we want. i think that's dangerous for this country. i think they're really going to have to go hard at that. unfortunately, not a lot of people are reading the fact checks, right? we all know and a lot of the mi knew sha of the facts and where he was wrong and wasn't wrong, i don't know how much people are p
. specifically he made the case then right or wrong that he was a better steward of the economy than john mccain in troubled times. romney's got to make that case in 2012. >> little different when you're running against an incumbent. right? there's not a direct parallel there. >> look at the transcript. he was running against president bush. that these set of economic policies are wrong and i have a compelling vision. whether he can do that is another story. >> your colleague e.j. deion wrote journalists are in search of defining moments and game changers. by this standard, romney needs to game changer. obama can live quite happily without one. so do you think that mitt romney needs to have a big moment or if he is perceived to have won will at least give republicans some momentum. is that really the most reasonable thing to hope for? >> well, certainly it will. if the race were sort of fixed in time right now, everybody assumes that obama would win. in many ways that's happening because of early voting all right. so romney needs to change the trajectory in some way. now, that washington pos
right then and there. teddy won. senator john mccain was tweeting his celebration. this was a huge deal in washington. our congratulations to teddy. "morning joe" starts right now. >> does anybody out there think that the big problem we had is that there was too much oversight and regulation of wall street? because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. >> i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that, and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. look, i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. >> for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> you said you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas? look, i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. i maybe need to get a new accountant, but the idea that you get a break for shippin
to pick up a few votes with an endorsement from football great john elway. president obama is taking the personal approach to nail down support. >> this is barack obama. >> reporter: and like romney, the president sees this debate as a chance to talk to america. >> it's a choice between two different paths for this country. it's a choice between two fundamentally different visions for our nation. >> reporter: the president has a lead in all nine of the key battleground states including ohio, which begins early balloting today. >> romney's task is difficult because he has to redefine himself as well as redefining the election. >> reporter: an election only 35 days away but still far from over. and the first debate is on the domestic issues that are defining this election. lynn? >> all right, brian, thanks. >>> elsewhere, the candidates for the u.s. senate in massachusetts, scott brown and elizabeth warren, debated for the second time last night. the two were combative as they staked out opposite positions on issues ranging from job creation to bringing home troops from afghanistan. nb
for bloomberg view and democratic strategist julian epstein and john harwood, chief washington correspondent and political writer for "the new york times." julian, so, the bureau of labor statistics is now to be lumped in with false memory syndrome, satanic abuse, and the abduction of children byu fos in terms of its accuracy and trustworthy iness? >> we've talked about the archie bunker wing of the waert. now we have the paranoid paranormal wing of the party. this is the same group of people that don't believe in evolution. this is the same group of people that don't believe in climate change. these are the same people who are complaining about the poll numbers being biased, and now they're complaining about a methodology that is very open and transparent and that has been used for decades in terms of computing the employment numbers. and, you know, this is to democrats this is music to our ears. when you start complaining about the polls and you start complaining about employment number methodology, it's a very, very clear sign that the other side is losing the debate and they have to go t
york" magazine john heilemann, "the huffington post" washington bureau chief ryan grim, author of "the daily show" liz winsted and "rolling stone" executive editor eric baits. welcome to bizarre world. ramping you for the first debate each candidate is showering praise on the opposition in the hopes of lowering the bar for themselves. paul ryan gushed over president obama's skills on the debate stage. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. >> shockingly, senior white house adviser david plouffe had the same feelings about governor mitt romney. >> we'd expect it all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and shown himself to be a good debater through the years. >> even the candidates were tamping down expectations yesterday. >> i don't think anyone would suggest the debates aren't important. i can't tell you how important it will be. i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just
appoi appointed, john roberts reflect the modern republican party. mitt romney, to be sure, would nominate someone like cavanagh, a young judge on the d.c. circuit. very conservative. not moderate republicans. that's why one seat would make such a difference. >> and those two have very clear records as did john roberts and sam aledo. we knew exactly who they were and what they would do. the senate wasn't ready to really look at that record and make an issue. >> can i ask a theoretical question. there's two ways of thinking about this. there should be a deference to the executive in naming nominees that comport with the president's legal philosophy, ideolo ideology. applying confidence because they are qualified for the job and hey, this is politics and a woman's right to choose on the line, this is a war against all against all. do what it takes. which is your belief system? >> you have to be confident and have an exemplary record. we need a candidate, republican or democrat who will accept the progress that has been made and be willing to advance that progress. that, to me -- >>
stage? john gear is in the guest spot today. he chairs the political science department at vanderbilt university. how are you, sir? >> i'm fine. how are you? >> i'm good. i'm a person that believes that campaigns matter, that campaigning and governing are different jobs with different skill sets. can you talk about the impact of how campaigning is like governing and how campaigning is different than governing? >> there's certainly similari similariti similarities. when you're president of the united states, you need to do persuading. there are certain skill sets in common. one of the big differences when you campaign, you can be pretty vague and you can hedge. when you're governing, you have to make choices, and you've got to make decisions that have real policy implications. that's the big difference. >> can you name people who ran bad campaigns and were good presidents, and then people who ran good campaigns. >> i suspect the example of someone running a good campaign but not good as president might be lyndon johnson in '64. he ran a very powerful campaign and won 62%, 63% of the vo
a bit. republicans today are saying that both ted kennedy and john kerry voted to confirm scalia and it was a 98-0 vote. democrats are seizing on it and talking about some of the positions that scalia has take than they feel are too conservative. too conservative is not what scott brown wants to be associated with in trying to appeal to especially democrats in massachusetts who might be willing to cross over and vote for him. he's under a real disadvantage with the registration here, so many more democrats and as you've been watching the polling there are 18% of those who have been questioned who aren't sure which way they want to go. for elizabeth warren, i was struck by the fact that four years ago, similar question to then senator barack obama, who does he feel he can work wi, he mentioned dick lugar. perhaps that's something that popped into her head. not realizing he lost his primary and will not be in the senate. she did not come up with another name and that reaction was an uncomfortable moment for her. the slish for her is could she work across party lines because brown h
in as obama during john mccain's 2008 prep. the president practicing with jor kerry playing the role of romney. kerry is a good fit since the parallels between his '04 and current one is overwhelming. can romney get the post-debate bounce kerry did in '04 and take it one step further and turn it into something kerry couldn't do eight years ago. in '04 president bush had a six-point lead before the debates but kerry's performance boosted him tying the men for the final debate but it was senator kerry in december '04 and not president elect kerry. the national polls are close her today than eight years ago but the numbers in key battlegrounds today tell an obama victory story. democratic strategist steve el mendorf, kerry's deputy campaign manager in '04. how are you? >> good, how are you. >> tell me about why your guy won the debates and lost the election and what that says potentially about this dynamic and this race right now is this. >> i think any challenger has a benefit when they get up on the stage against the president of the united states. the debates level the playing field. they put
john elway. it was the only scheduled talk. it was a stealth bomber in the background there. romney tried to tamp down expectations in the back. >> people want to know who is going to win? who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? in my view, it's not so much winning or losing or even the people themselves. it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for america that we would choose. >> playing off the enthusiastic crowd. romney had lines for the base. may even tested out a few zingers we might hear wednesday night. >> this is a home to focus on the family which is committed to preserving the foundation of america. we have to get the pipe laine from canada if i have to build it myself. >> it will kill america's entrepreneurship. >> that's the first time, by the way, romney talked about card check on the stump since the primaries. others call it the employee free choice act. it was a priority four years ago. it never passed because a few democ
-game power, joy reed, we have anita dunn, former white house communications director, and john baybender who served on rick santorum's presidential campaign. gang, good to have you here. julian, you were saying yesterday don't try too hard for that moment and don't get too snippy, come armed with specifics. what do you think now? president obama was not listening to that. what happened? >> well, you know what? i think ed schultz made a lot of good points but you look at his exchange with the obama campaign manager. he said everybody knows about the 47%. i think the biggest problem for the obama campaign last night was they had a presumption that everybody knows the facts so they don't have to relitigate the facts in a debate. the problem is you have to come into every debate as if nobody knows anything because what mitt romney was able to do was to present a completely different person and a much more aggressive person. and as ed said, ask for the job. so i think the next time what the president needs to do is to litigate that debate as if nobody knows the facts about 47%, bain capital, all
on one in the 2008 democratic primary, then three debates against john mccain. it's a different dynamic than to be the frontrunner where four or five people are aiming at you throughout a debate. >> here we are on the eve practically of the first debate and it's supposed to be an economic, domestic policy. >> right. >> and now foreign policy has reared its head. we have first of all mitt romney and "the wall street journal" an op-ed, saying that these developments are not as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk, yet amid this upheaval our country seems to be at the mercy of events rather than shaping them, not moving them in a direction that protects our people or allies. and paul ryan just now on the laura engram radio show, saying this about afghanistan. >> that echos also what john mccain said on "morning joe" today. are they trying to change the skubts to get off -- subject to get off 47% and other missteps and perceived problems in their camp or see a real vulnerability here after benghazi in the way that the white house
grips the podium. he does these long answers. john f. kennedy used to do 15 questions in 30 minutes. >> one of those. he's so used to be being on home turf. i don't think he took romney that seriously. he is watching romney all year making all these blunders. he's saying, you know, this guy isn't that good. >> he's not that good. probably thinks similar campaign. similar candidate. >> i heard from count let obama people. we know there's an opportunity here to put this race away. we're going to be aggressive without looking overly aggressive. that wasn't the case. >> it wasn't the case at all. i assume in his mind this was the fourth quarter. but they are going to have to retool and get ready for a second debate. we're not sure how much this is going to shift the conversation. but we know it will shift the conversation. we don't know how much it's going to move voters. they improved as the night went along. the sharpest difference in the closing arguments. was the president not prepared to give a quick punch like that? it makes you wonder how much takes he has to do the tv commercial
among them, when john roberts voted and you write in the book and i want to read, this is out of the book, quote, by demanding that roberts kill our entire health care law, the four conservative justices prompted them to look for some kind of middle ground. roberts felt obligated to protect the institutional interests of the court, not just his own philosophical agenda. now, doing that, he uncost merrily went against the conservatives, members of the court. >> he certainly did and count me among those who are shocked and predicted wrongly. justice sees himself as the chief justice, as the embodiment of the court and after citizens united, after bush v. gore to do it a third time in a relatively short period of time would have damaged the court and romney found that middle ground under the taxing power of congress and he upheld the law but don't think that john roberts has suddenly. >> a mentor of mine said, be when he said that, he did not find it, they had the right to deal with interstate commerce. >> right. >> but that they could deal with tax law, most of the civil rights
. four years ago there were 15 states that barack obama and john mccain were advertising in. now it's down to nine. you know, so you're getting same amount of advertising dollars squeezed into nine states. almost overearn gaugement with with the battleground states. >> the battleground map has dramatically decreased. we're in fewer states. you're not seeing, for example, the obama campaign talked about maybe we'll go into arizona or texas and georgia. they didn't. the obama campaign had long been looking at pennsylvania and michigan. they didn't. remember, in florida eight years ago we were talking about democrats playing missouri and even west virginia at one point or throwing money down to get the other side to spend money or compete and while republicans were looking at places like washington too. where's new mexico? >> robert, one of the things john cohen head of the polling team said it is fascinating the split between the engagement of young voters in swing states and voters in non-swing states. that's where this is being waged. that's where we need to check with enthusiasm.
-point lead according to the "new york times" poll. joining me now colorado's democratic governor john hickenlooper. thanks for wonderful weather here. the weather is unbelievable. when people ask you why colorado is a swing state what do you say? >> it is a combination of people having moved here from west coast and east coast. we have ended up with one-third democrats, one-third republicans and one-third independents. we passed our budget last year. people look into who the person is. >> you say it is not partisan and yet some of the most base parts of the party, boulder is home to one of the most liberal groups in the country. so you have this polarized atmosphere sometimes, too, among the grass roots of both parties. fair to say? >> i think we have like much of the country a lot of the extremes. we have that real granola liberal environmentally -- >> boulder democrat when somebody is running against somebody. >> and the same thing with colorado springs. they are the extremes. there is the full spectrum between and there is a big chunk of independent voters and people that really a
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roosevelt, privileged, wealthy, had the common touch. john f. kennedy had the common touch. ted kennedy and bobby kennedy did. nelson rockefeller did in new york. mitt romney does not convey that. >> that is such an interesting point, roger, you're making. i believe a lot has been lost whether you talk about wealth and affluence. it does not equate an absence of empathy as he says in the case of health care law in massachusetts. that does not void you of concern for common man or require you to have the assumption that those who are not successful, let's say, the 47%, are not wealthy because they are not doing something right and you are wealthy because you have this magic touch or somehow you worked harder than the guy who lives on the other side of the tracks. >> that's the problem. the problem with governor romney is not that he's a heartless man or a beast or a mean guy. it's his view of how people should succeed. everybody should lift him or herself up by their bootstraps, even if they can't afford boots, they should work hard, save their money, start a small business. if they don'
had senator john mccain about what you need to present to people during debate. we know yesterday you talked about this, which mitt romney will show up tonight? ab is talking about keeping the conservative base fired up or perhaps trying to go after the other people he would need to win here. let me play what bob said on "morning joe." >> i remember in the 1990s once asking john mccain is it possible and he asked -- actually asked the question is it possible to run for president and be true to yourself? he ran for president. a lot of people would say he wasn't true to himself. i asked him a couple of months ago, what's the answer to that question? and he said, i don't know. >> what do you make of that, eugene? even senator john mccain. we saw this. the guy was supposed to be the maverick. he was consumed by the sarah palin hurricane or whatever you choose to describe that event as being what we witnessed. but he did not know or does not know. >> well, this is quite a process isn't it, tamron? >> mm-hmm. >> the environment is such that every -- every step you take, every move you make,
them back to reality. >> senator john mccain is the only man who has debated both of these individuals. he weighed in on the expectations this morning. take a listen. >> serve and provide us -- >> it's not just that they go bankrupt, he doesn't understand -- >> comments that grabbed everybody's attention. because frankly, the candidates are too well prepared. they're well scripted. >> what you did not hear the beginning there, is the senator said i think you're going to see more viewers, than any debate in history. and then he also said he can't remember the last time that any of these things affected the outcome of a presidential race. save 1960 and 2000, have the debates ever really impacted the outcome of a race, chris kofinis? >> it's funny, i hear the debate about debates not necessarily mattering. and i actually disagree with that i think the 1980, the reagan/carter debate. the debates mattered. they matter in every election, they either reinforce a narrative in the election meaning we think we're going to vote for president obama. president obama does well in that debate and it
is really remarkable is how little they changed things. they have little impact. in 2004 everybody said john kerry got the best of those. >> he was up after the first one. >> no, he was not. i've got the data right here. the only debate where there was any movement beyond two or three points from the start of the debates till the end was 1976. jerry ford moved ten points, and he made one of the great faux p pases in any debate. it doesn't have the effect that people think that it has. i think there are five things that make a difference. conventions matter a lot. the predicate, where you are in the summer beforehand, the kind of campaign you run and the kind of paid media you have. i think debates are probably fifth. >> boy, mike barnicle, i disagree with it. mark mckinnon disagrees with that. do you think debates don't have an impact, or do you think tonight actually could if mitt romney comes out -- >> i think it will have some impact. >> some impact, but i actually think that's really when the american people, for the first time, see the two candidates and really start to make their minds
in 2004 when president george w. bush choked in the first of his three debates against john kerry. there was a strong performance against john edwards. cheney took one for the team playing the attack dog and allowing bush to keep his presidential hands clean. although i'd like to see a little more heat from president obama in debate number two, he can still keep it cool and classy while letting biden go all the way off the leash. but even before the first presidential debate, the match-up between the two guys on the bottom of the tickets promise to be a must-watched event. what we saw in the debate between president obama and governor romney was an exchange of ideas. both share a practical approach to stimulating economic growth but have different ways of getting us there. the two guys that we're going to be watching on thursday, pragmatism doesn't begin to describe them. pugilistic, not pragmatic describes these guys. get ready for a clash of the i had i can't logs. they're champions of the sweet science of political and economic thought of their respective parties. the golden bo
. >> the frightened president, john. like little girl scared. i mean, mitt romney, talk about brilliant. two harvard degrees. the guy has never even lost an argument. >> he's no slouch. i mean, he's the president. >> smoke and mirrors. right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people just hope he remains upright. he's a big napper, john. big napper. mitt romney, 90 minutes awake and upright means big win for the camp. >> so jonathan, pugh had an interesting poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a surprise to all of us. look, i think that it -- it matters a little bit on the margins, working the reporters who then report to the public.
to avoid the fiscal cliff, may be appearing darker. john boehner says it may not only be tough for a lame duck congress to piece together a deal, it would also be a wrong deal for the country. in the interview, john boehner says about that, it is a difficult thing to do, and frankly i'm not sure it is the right thing to do, have a lot of retiring members voting on big bi bills. johnathan, good day to you. >> good afternoon. >> is this making you angry, leaders thinking we should fall over this fiscal cliff? is that what they want? >> well, the part of this that is new is the idea that he is opposed to any kind of deal in principle, because it occurs after the election, but before the new lawmakers have taken office. we always knew that the two sides were far apart, but you know, now it looks even worse. on the other side you have senator patty murray, saying that she is ready to go over the fiscal cliff in order to secure tax increases on the wealthy, so it does look pretty dire at this stage. >> so januaohnathan, look, john boehner is a seasoned politician, do you think this is the new h
. and president obama's chance of winning the election is now at 84.7%. joining me now john hiel man and krystal ball. when i see him out at hoover dam today, i think we are going to hear some sort of rachel like ode to hoover dam in the debate and the power of federal infrastructure spending and what it can do to this country and the economy. >> i think you're absolutely right. that is the core message. it's we're in it together versus you're on your own. and to that point, mitt romney still has never really come up with a coherent explanation, because there isn't one, for his comments about the 47%. so as they're talking about the zingers he's been preparing for this debate and how he's been practicing for months, there's no verbal strik to get you out of that box. and there's also nothing you can do to avoid the fact that your positions have changed so much from the primary to now and back and forth. so that's one of the things that you have to look at. it's not just preparation and flg good responses. some things there is no way to get out of them. >> the friends of mitt romney at the nation
. the website, nextnewdeal, discovered this five-point plan, well, has been pushed before. by senator john mccain when he accepted the republican nomination four years ago. the five points were in a different order, but in the speech, exactly the same thing. there's really no real difference. four years earlier, here it is, an almost identical five-point plan was offered by president george w. bush when he was accepting the republican nomination for re-election. now, the five points were in a different order in this speech, in the actual speech. small businesses were mentioned twice. you get the picture in all of this. bush also repeatedly mentioned no child left behind even though it wasn't one of the five points. we need to see president obama dismantle romney as more of the same and dismantle these romney lies. here's the president in wisconsin today. >> whoever it was that was on stage last night doesn't want to be held accountable for what the real mitt romney's been saying for the last year, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. >> let's bring in s
this, had a listening device implanted in his suit while he was debating john kerry. the problem with that george w. bush conspiracy theory of course was always that john kerry absolutely destroyed george w. bush in that debate when bush was supposedly wearing a listening device. so if he was wearing a listening device whoever was supposedly whispering in the president's ear was not whispering things that helped him. that's always the part i didn't understand. but the 2012 version of that theory now is that mitt romney cheated in the debate against president obama this week not by having somebody feed him the answers through an ear piece but rather by bringing the illegal crib sheet on to the debate stage with him. you see, previous debate rules have set out very clearly that, quote, no props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by any candidate and yet have a look at this damning evidence. this is at the very beginning of the debate on wednesday night and as you'll be able to see clearly here what is that in your poc
as if he agrees with mitt. which is it? >> that's right. you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their debt to society with blood literally. it's made up of mostly working people, most of that 47% are working americans, working middle class, working poor. >> hard working who earn less than $30,000 a year. >> or even $40,000 or $50,000 and many of those -- many of that 47% is made up of seniors. you know, this network is going to have a new poll later today that's going to show the race tightening and the national numbers but not in the battleground states i think. one of the big reasons for that, one of the big underreported reasons for that is how the romney/ryan ticket has offended seniors. we've talked about how this ticket offended women, african-americans, hispanics. the big story is how they have offended seniors and how seniors have gone from the romney/ryan camp into the obama camp largely i think because of the ryan plan on medicare, and so that -- the 47% was poorly answered by ryan, but an equal weight around this
to describe the pathway forward for america we would choose. >> i want to bring in john harwood and e.j. deion, author of "our divided political heart." thank you for coming on. we've been hearing this expectation game being played, the other side trying to make the other one seem as if they are the greatest debater who ever lived. let's start with a reality check and strength and weaknesses of these candidates. let's start with president obama. what is the strength in this debate? >> he's very well informed. he is a fluid speaker. he has served as president. he's got a tremendous amount of information at his command. he doesn't mess up very often. he simply doesn't create the memorable gaffe very frequently, although he's had a couple of things with "you didn't build that" and that sort of thing. >> his weakness? >> his weakness is he can come off as prophesorial and arrogant and long-winded. >> how about you? what do you think about the president? what has he got going for him? >> he should twitter because it would force him into shorter answers. he's got the advantage romney has a bunch of
perspective on this from john mccain, he's debated both the president and mitt romney. he says we will see two very strong well-prepared debaters and he predicts few surprises. the president's behind closed doors in nevada for the next two days preparing to face mitt romney in denver wednesday. >> he's a good debater. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing. >> reporter: both sides are downplaying expectations. a senior aide to the president says romney will be prepared, disciplined and aggressive. romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formidable, and i think it will be a good debate, but i certainly would not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> reporter: john kerry's playing romney with the president. in a weekend memo, republicans urged kerry to press the president on libya and syria. romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy. >> i expect to be able to
candidate received the endorsement of a local legend, hall of fame quarterback john elway. he introduced romney to a crowd of 5,000 supporters. >> i get the opportunity to introduce to you the next president of the united states, governor mitt romney! >> last night romney who spent long hours preparing for tomorrow's debate said the stakes are greater than simply crowning a winner of the debate. >> people want to know who's going to win? who's going to score the punches and who's going to make the biggest difference and the arguments they make, and there's going to be all the scoring of winning and losing. you know, in my view, it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself. it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for america that we would choose. >> the president meanwhile spent most of the day yesterday preparing for the debate. at his nevada campaign headquarters. taking a break to deliver pizza to one of the local campaign offices. he then started working the ph
further in your career than you ever thought possible. let's get started at capella.edu >>> john mccain has been dead wrong on the fundamental issues relating to the conduct of the war. barack obama has been right. they are the facts. >> in the spotlight tonight the next debate. at this exact moment one week from now vice president joe biden and paul ryan will be hugging their families on a stage where they will have completed their debate. >> what i have been doing mostly is studying up on congressman ryans positions on the issues. and governor romney has embraced everything i can see. i don't want to say anything in the debate that is not completely accurate. >> meanwhile, paul ryan is pretending that he is not memorizing lines. >> you know me well, i don't try to be anybody other than who i am. i believe what i believe and i do what i do and believe in the policies that we are providing, pursuing, at the end of the day i'm going to go in there and be me. >> crystal, let's look at paul ryan going with his gutt with chris wallace. >> you haven't given me the math. >> it would take
chris. john warner and rebecca, contributor to the magazine. i feel of two minds about the debate. focus is good. depth is good. i was appreciative they allowed depth on the issues they talked about, but frustrates there's only so many of these. one is foreign policy. in terms of domestic policy, the next debate is basically it and the vice president debate. i feel there's a lot of stuff i want to hear them on. the other issue i'll say then shut up. i'm curious what you have to say. the other thing i wished had come up, there's a ballot initiative in colorado that hasn't gotten a lot of attention here. amendment 64 to legalize marijuana in the state of colorado. 51% in favor, 40% not in favor. it's a big deal. it's probably going to happen in colorado. i genuinely wanted to hear mitt romney and barack obama say where they were on it. >> one of the things that strike me, i hear the dichotomy on we went deep but didn't touch on the social issues. we don't talk about the social issues we write off as soft are economic issues. when talking about people's ability to participate fully until th
it is, chris. i mean, the great thing about president obama and the debates with john mccain, it really wasn't so much what he said. it was the way he held himself compared with the way that senator john mccain held himself, and senator mccain looked increasingly flustered. he looked frustrated with candidate obama. i think that the great thing about president obama is that he does have the capacity to be totally in the moment and to be totally funny. he is funny on his feet. and so, you know, for him to practice what he's going to do in case of a zinger, i think he's got the blessing of being rather spontaneous and the blessing of being up against someone who is incapable of spontaneity, reveals himself into" those spontaneous moments like the 47% taped remark to be not a terribly likable person. so i think for the president to practice the way he handles zingers defeats what the president is particularly good at. >> well, actually barack means -- barack means in swahili blessed one, so you got that one right. will president obama challenge romney on the details of his vague tax plan,
's campaign co-chair former new hampshire governor john sununu describing president obama's debate performance today. >> he has been lazy and disengaged and has no idea, not only of his own policies, but has no idea what mitt romney's real policies are. p. >> you don't think there will be a better prepared president obama on stage next week? >> when you're not that bright, you can't get better prepared. >> lazy. not that bright. this is the president of the united states he's talking about. he was pressed about .comment. >> did you really need to call the president of the united states lazy? >> yes. i think you saw him admit it the night before when he delivered the pizzas. he said, you know, they're making me do this work. he didn't want to prepare for this debate. he's lazy and disengaged. >> now, we've seen this disrespect right from day one. it cannot be tolerated. mitt romney must denounce a n sununu's ugly talk. joining me now, opinion writer from the "washington post," and victoria defrancesco, a fellow at the university of texas and an msnbc contributor. thanks both of you for being he
president obama beat john mccain among latinos in 2008. look, this is a problem in this election for republicans, andrea, but a bigger problem in 2016, 2020 and beyond. the hispanic community is obviously a young community, it's a growing community, it's a community that's going to register to vote more in line with their population numbers in years to come. republicans simply cannot lose the hispanic vote by 40, 50 points. they can't even lose it by 20 points. people like jeb bush, marco rubio who you showed earlier they understand that. i think the party needs to have a reckoning with where they are in immigration and courting hispanics. numbers like that, mitt romney maybe can win with a number like that, possibly nationally, but i will tell you in 2016, 2020 and beyond the party nominee will be hard pressed to win losing hispanic business that kind of margin. >> and finally, how big a deal is joe biden saying that the middle class has been buried for the last four years? >> yeah. >> republicans are going to make a big deal out of it. >> and are making a big deal out of it. we
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